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PeterCool
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posted April 19, 2003 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking for a while that DC reprinting the Spirit was a major step for the company and for comics in general.

And it occurred to me: could/would DC consider doing Archives for stuff like Terry and the Pirates, Steve Canyon, Little Orphan Annie, Popeye, Li'l Abner, Krazy Kat, Wash Tubbs, Flash Gordon... you get the idea.

Yes, some of these projects have been done by other companies, but all of them eventually collapsed or had fairly poor reproduction.

DC is in a unique position to bring these works to the public in a durable, high-profile format.

Is this something that DC would consider? Is this something that fans would support?

I'll go out on a limb and say that comic strips were far superior to comic books in the Golden Age.

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James Friel
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posted April 19, 2003 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I'd support it. I'm a strips fan of long standing--I've even got a near-complete run of The Menomonee Falls Gazette.

Some things, like the Raymond run on Flash Gordon , or Little Nemo, or the Foster and Hogarth Tarzans, or the Foster Price Valiant, have been done, and done pretty well, recently enough that it's almost certainly too soon to do it again. Indeed, the Prince Valiants are mostly still in print from Fantagraphics, and Little Nemo from Taschen in a huge, fairly cheap hardcover.

But I think there's room in the world for a good sharp clear set of Terry & the Pirates dailies.
Or Russ Manning's Tarzan.
Or a complete run of Pogo, my all time favorite strip.
Or more Alley Oop and Little Orphan Annie. And the world needs more George McManus--let's have some Bringing Up Father.
And Modesty Blaise--a nice set of hardcovers that resemble the Titan Books run from the '80s would be great.

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christy2002
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posted April 19, 2003 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for christy2002   Click Here to Email christy2002        Reply w/Quote
I second that - I would really like a good collection of Buz Sawyer

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Jim Davis
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posted April 19, 2003 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Davis        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
But I think there's room in the world for a good sharp clear set of Terry & the Pirates dailies.

Oh, yes! I was very disappointed when the Remco/Kitchen Sink series "The Complete Color Terry and the Pirates by Milton Caniff - Sundays and Dailies Complete" bit the dust after 2 volumes.

I thought the NBM series was adequate for the dailies but not for the Sundays of course.

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PeterCool
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posted April 19, 2003 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterCool   Click Here to Email PeterCool        Reply w/Quote
I'm a huge Fan of Terry, and while I have the NBM series, I would love to see a complete set with better reproduction and color Sundays. Yes, it's a shame that the other series ended so quickly. Steve Canyon from Kitchen Sink was great too, but there's lots of Canyon stuff that's never been reprinted.

Buz Sawyer -- I'd kill for this one. I have some reprints that were done by Dragon Lady Press back in the 80's and it was truly terrific stuff.

Prince Valiant -- Agreed that Fantagraphics has done an okay job. Still, certain volumes have been out of print for a very long time and don't look like they are coming out any time soon. I have doubts that Fantagraphics will ever keep the entire run in print.

Pogo -- Another wonderful series that died an untimely death. Again, Fantagraphics wasn't able to sustain this feature. Little Orphan Annie stumbled at 5 volumes, which was also a shame.

There are so many, some of which have been listed.

I'd really like DC to consider at least some of the strips mentioned. It's really something that could maybe draw in fans that never read some of this material.

Is there anyone at DC that we could contact to ask these questions, or are these boards monitored by DC personnel?

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Superman63
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posted April 19, 2003 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Superman63   Click Here to Email Superman63        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
I'd support it. I'm a strips fan of long standing--I've even got a near-complete run of The Menomonee Falls Gazette.

Some things, like the Raymond run on Flash Gordon , or Little Nemo, or the Foster and Hogarth Tarzans, or the Foster Price Valiant, have been done, and done pretty well, recently enough that it's almost certainly too soon to do it again. Indeed, the Prince Valiants are mostly still in print from Fantagraphics, and Little Nemo from Taschen in a huge, fairly cheap hardcover.

But I think there's room in the world for a good sharp clear set of Terry & the Pirates dailies.
Or Russ Manning's Tarzan.
Or a complete run of Pogo, my all time favorite strip.
Or more Alley Oop and Little Orphan Annie. And the world needs more George McManus--let's have some Bringing Up Father.
And Modesty Blaise--a nice set of hardcovers that resemble the Titan Books run from the '80s would be great.


Put me down for Russ's Tarzan

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Carlo
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posted April 19, 2003 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo   Click Here to Email Carlo        Reply w/Quote
May I assume Caniff was mostly, if not entirely noted for comic strips?

I, too, recall a ton of stuff being made available from Kitchen Sink Press, but couldn't comment on the quality...

Funny - as a "kid" I was totally unaware of "comic strips". Don't know if my local New Orleans papers carried them or if I merely was ignorant of there existance.

My loss, I'm sure.

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James Friel
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posted April 19, 2003 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Your loss indeed, Carlo.
By the time you and I were growing up, the real glory days had passed, but you still missed out on a big chunk of Milton Caniff's and Hal Foster's and Walt Kelly's and Al Capp's work, among others.
It's worth getting into now, though.

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TC
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posted April 19, 2003 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TC        Reply w/Quote
I'd love to be able to get some Terry and the pirates or Buz sawyer archives.

Also how about some Johnny Comet and Mandrake?
I've got some reprints from smaller compant's that did them as monthly comics, but a big hardcover would be a dream come true.

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Carlo
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posted April 19, 2003 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo   Click Here to Email Carlo        Reply w/Quote
I'll bet, James...

"All" those comic strips got by me...

Gosh, forgot the publisher - guess I purchased these in the mid/late 80s, but I did get hold of Giacoia (sp) Sherlock Holmes and some Shadow strips, reprinted in comic form.

Maybe when I get rid of this "history bug", I'll have to investigate the strips.

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Scott Nichols
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posted April 19, 2003 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Nichols   Click Here to Email Scott Nichols        Reply w/Quote
Since Rick Norwood is still plugging along with the Comic Revue, he deserves a plug. For those who don't know his monthly mag picked up the reprinting of Buz Sawyer & Alley Oop where the Dragon Lady reprints left off, Little Orphan Annie where Fantagraphics left off and, I think (about a year's worth of issues waiting for me to get around to them) has started Steve Canyon from where Kitchen Sink stopped. That doesn't even count the continuing reprint of Krazy Kat dailies.

I'm willing to go out on Peter Cool's limb and agree with him about the general superiority of comic strips.

-Scott
"Desperately waiting for more Polly & her Pals, George McManus and COLOR Captain Easy Sundays."

P.S. Eternity is the name of the publisher that Carlo is trying to remember. Among other things they also published Charteris' The Saint with art by Jack Spranger who will be pencilling the Spirit with Eisner inks as Will returns from the Military.

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Old Dude
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posted April 19, 2003 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Dude   Click Here to Email Old Dude        Reply w/Quote
I used to read the comic strips every day when I was young. I didn't know HOW young until I saw a Blackthorn reprint of one of my favorite Dick Tracy stories. According to the copyright dates, it originally ran in 1954, when I was only 5 years old!

About the same time I was reading other continuity strips like Raboy's Flash Gordon, Rex Morgan, Mark Trail, and Dondi (believe it or not, there was a time when these last three strips were GOOD.

I was never into Terry and The Pirates or Steve Canyon at that age. I bought a whole pile of the Kitchen Sink Canyon reprints and enjoyed them a lot.

And although I've tried, and tried, and tried, I've never been able to get into Pogo. It's wasted on me. Maybe they need capes and spandex.

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James Friel
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posted April 20, 2003 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
It took me a long time to get into Pogo.
I read it half-heartedly as a younger kid, but didn't really get it.
Then someone gave me one of the Simon & Schuster Pogo paperbacks for Christmas 1957, the year I was 11, and I read it, and I remember that all of a sudden I went "Wow! The pig is Khrushchev!", and it all fell into place. After that, it didn't take me long to develop a love for kelly's unique way with the language.

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Carlo
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posted April 20, 2003 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carlo   Click Here to Email Carlo        Reply w/Quote
Good one, Scott - "Eternity" was it - was tempted to type "First" in that prior post -but thanks for setting me straight...

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daytripper
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posted April 20, 2003 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daytripper   Click Here to Email daytripper        Reply w/Quote
I just can't see DC reprinting comics strips other than those based on their own heroes. Can anyone tell me an example of anything they've reprinted other than something like Tarzan? Although, I agree that it would be nice if they would. There are a zillion comic strips worthy of reprinting, and DC has the resources to keep their books in print, more so than some fly by night publisher who gets the rights for a few years and doesn't do anything with them. So, let's all lobby DC for our favorites, even if they don't have a history of publishing classic comic strips. It might do some good, given that graphic novels and such are selling pretty well in the bookstores.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted April 21, 2003 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
regarding DC getting into the strip reprint business, it might work best if it were part of a multi-media option/rights contract. That is, Warner gets an option on a "Terry and the Pirates" movie, while DC gets the right to reprint the strip, DC Direct gets to make toys, etc. Does Warner have a game subsidiary?

People need to think big, think creatively. Put that fershlugginer "corporate synergy" to use, for once.

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Jim Pattison
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posted April 21, 2003 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jim Pattison   Click Here to Email Jim Pattison        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Scott Nichols:
Since Rick Norwood is still plugging along with the Comic Revue, he deserves a plug.

Rick Norwood has also started a series of trade paperbacks reprinting Modesty Blaise strips. These are similar to the Titan books that someone mentioned - three complete stories per volume. He's published two so far, with more on the way.

Norwood's books are nice, and he deserves a lot of credit, but I's still like to see a complete run of the Modesty Blaise strips in Archive-style hardcovers.

Jim

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Jason Michael
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posted April 21, 2003 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Michael   Click Here to Email Jason Michael        Reply w/Quote
I'd love to have a collection of Segar's Popeye- I just bought Fantagraphics Complete Popeye Vol. 10 and I'm loving it. (Haven't finished it yet!)
I believe Fantagraphics has mentioned that they'll finally be publishing Pogo Vol. 12 in the next year. At this rate I'll be long dead by the time they finish it.

Jason

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James Friel
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posted April 21, 2003 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jason Michael:
I'd love to have a collection of Segar's Popeye- I just bought Fantagraphics Complete Popeye Vol. 10 and I'm loving it. (Haven't finished it yet!)
I believe Fantagraphics has mentioned that they'll finally be publishing Pogo Vol. 12 in the next year. At this rate I'll be long dead by the time they finish it.

I'm glad to hear thet--but the dailes alone are going to run 50 volumes, and then there are Sundays. I'll be dead by the time they get to 1960...
Jason


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vze2
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posted April 21, 2003 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I'd love to buy many more strips than I could afford. I didn't buy any of the Lil' Abner books from Kitchen Sink.

I'd really like to see Wonder Woman (done in one, I think), assuming that DC can match the quality job done by Kitchen Sink. All the extra work they did on the supplementary material makes the Superman and Batman projects the best reprint projects I've ever seen.

I don't see the post now, but someone somewhere suggested the Swan years for Superman. Based on a comment by Bob G., I don't think this is too likely, but I'd prefer this over a continuation of the Kitchen Sink volumes. There's just too much Superman for me to ever think it's really going to happen.

I hope Fantagraphics reprints the Popeye collection. I'd buy it in a hearbeat.

Krazy Kat is currently being done by someone, I think Fantagraphics. They seem to be committed.

I'm hoping that Prince Valiant continues indefinitely. I don't think DC can do a better job than Fantagraphics.

Of course I want to see Pogo, but I want new volumes to be compatable with the old ones.

However, I don't see DC getting into this business. Kitchen Sink did most, if not all, of the work on Superman and Batman.

Scenarios where DC would get into this business:
1. Someone starts making a killing off of strip reprints.
2. DC hires Denis Kitchen.
3. Steve Canyon: The Movie (or fill in your favorite strip).
4. A resurgence in any of these strips popularity in current newspapers.
5. A package deal with a living creator, like Eisner. Unfortunately, I don't think many of the creators are living, and those who are aren't still productive like Eisner or Kubert.

Hey, what about the Green Berets by Kubert? I think its very low on DC priority list for Kubert material, but maybe in 10 years.

As far as PeterCool comment "I'll go out on a limb and say that comic strips were far superior to comic books in the Golden Age." I don't think you're going out on a limb. Comic books creators in the Golden Age were usually failed comic strip creators. The best comic book, The Spirit, appeared as a newspaper insert.

As to your questions in your second post:

Bob Greenberger, who is in charge of collected editions, used to read this board and post regularly. I believe he still reads the board and he is predicted to return to posting when the new boards are up (May?).

You may be able to ask him directly when this happens. Or you could write him.

However, I think that DC feels that other people are already doing this better than they can.

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